wow, harsh but really funny! If I ever walked into a church selling coffee... there would be some serious trouble. I am uneasy about a Christian book store being in the church so a coffee shop brings to mind turning over the tables of the money changers.
huh... I have gone to several churches that have coffee shops in them. Granted i live in the coffee capital of the US. With all of them the money always goes to support specific ministries - missions or youth ministry. It's way different than the 'turning the tables' situation that you're talking about. Nobody is being unfairly taken advantage of here. In the temple people *HAD* to bring a sacrifice, so overcharging for them was an abuse. With a coffee shop or book store, nobody is telling anybody that they *HAVE* to buy a book or a latté.
As for the video, I'm sort of torn. Some of the seeker sensitive stuff really annoys me, but there are some aspects of relevance that I think are necessary. We have to go out to the world and not simply expect them to come to us. There is a place for us to be relevant to the society at large, but there is also a point at which we have crossed a line - which is what this video is going after.
As one of my seminary profs once said, "A church with no Christian symbols is a symbol of something in and of itself." He was speaking about a large seeker sensitive church in suburban Chicago, whose sanctuary has (or at least used to have) no Christian symbols in it.
Sean, Honestly, I was pretty uncomfortable when I saw the Coffee Bar at your church when I visited. But I also know that God works different ways in different places. If MY church opened one up, I'd probably leave. But then, I live near the Financial Capital of the world, not the coffee capital.
And I think this video does what good comedy does - it makes us think. Yes, it goes to far in spots, but not to a point of being offensive, I think. Some seeker-sensitive churches are fine, some go over the edge and become basically marketing firms looking to "sell" Christ and "branding" our faith. It is all about where your priorities are, and if you are watching that line in the sand that should not crossed.
wow, harsh but really funny! If I ever walked into a church selling coffee... there would be some serious trouble. I am uneasy about a Christian book store being in the church so a coffee shop brings to mind turning over the tables of the money changers.
YanıtlaSilhuh... I have gone to several churches that have coffee shops in them. Granted i live in the coffee capital of the US. With all of them the money always goes to support specific ministries - missions or youth ministry. It's way different than the 'turning the tables' situation that you're talking about. Nobody is being unfairly taken advantage of here. In the temple people *HAD* to bring a sacrifice, so overcharging for them was an abuse. With a coffee shop or book store, nobody is telling anybody that they *HAVE* to buy a book or a latté.
YanıtlaSilAs for the video, I'm sort of torn. Some of the seeker sensitive stuff really annoys me, but there are some aspects of relevance that I think are necessary. We have to go out to the world and not simply expect them to come to us. There is a place for us to be relevant to the society at large, but there is also a point at which we have crossed a line - which is what this video is going after.
As one of my seminary profs once said, "A church with no Christian symbols is a symbol of something in and of itself." He was speaking about a large seeker sensitive church in suburban Chicago, whose sanctuary has (or at least used to have) no Christian symbols in it.
Sean, Honestly, I was pretty uncomfortable when I saw the Coffee Bar at your church when I visited. But I also know that God works different ways in different places. If MY church opened one up, I'd probably leave. But then, I live near the Financial Capital of the world, not the coffee capital.
YanıtlaSilAnd I think this video does what good comedy does - it makes us think. Yes, it goes to far in spots, but not to a point of being offensive, I think. Some seeker-sensitive churches are fine, some go over the edge and become basically marketing firms looking to "sell" Christ and "branding" our faith. It is all about where your priorities are, and if you are watching that line in the sand that should not crossed.